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Post  Markh5682 on Mon 07 Mar 2016, 5:06 pm



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Post  Markh5682 on Wed 09 Mar 2016, 3:00 pm

It is a fantastic route, I've done all the acts already, very atmospheric.

One of the DMU's didn't have the diesel smoke effect lines in the .eng file and wouldn't display in OR, but is fixed now by copying the lines from one of the other .eng files.


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Post  dforrest on Wed 16 Mar 2016, 3:50 pm

A patch is available at UKTS. File ID# 35389.


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Post  dforrest on Mon 25 Apr 2016, 12:05 pm

The second patch is available at UKTS. File ID# 35554. It covers many of the issues discussed, and others.


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Post  dforrest on Mon 25 Apr 2016, 7:46 pm

Ged has pointed out an error in the packaging of this. It had "TRAINS" and "NSR Lines" folders in the .zip file, whereas it should be "TRAINS" and "ROUTES" (with "NSR Lines" on ROUTES"). I have corrected this and uploaded it. The content remains 100% unchanged. It should be available again soon.


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Post  dforrest on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 3:18 pm

Patch #3 is now available at UKTS.  It included a three-part activity pack.


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Post  Markh5682 on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 5:34 pm

Thanks David. OK


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Post  dforrest on Fri 15 Jul 2016, 7:34 pm

I am searching the web  for lists of locos allocated to the Stoke shed during the LMS period.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?


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Post  rufuskins on Fri 15 Jul 2016, 11:00 pm

The site HERE gives the allocation at 1948. You can also get the 1948 allocation from Hugh Longworth's "British Railways Steam Shed Allocations". It might be worthwhile posting a query with the LMS Society.


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Post  dforrest on Fri 15 Jul 2016, 11:10 pm

rufuskins wrote:The site HERE gives the allocation at 1948. You can also get the 1948 allocation from Hugh Longworth's "British Railways Steam Shed Allocations". It might be worthwhile posting a query with the LMS Society.
Thanks Alec.  What I am looking for is pre-1948.  I have contacted the LMS Society but have had no response yet.


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Post  rufuskins on Sat 16 Jul 2016, 2:52 pm

Whilst not pre-war I hope it might at least give you an idea of the locomotive classes that were typically stabled there. I'll continue to trawl just in case there's something out there!


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Post  ShortNorth on Sun 17 Jul 2016, 2:58 am

The original 5-book LMS Engine Sheds series from Wild swan show allocations for 1945 in the first four books (the English railways books - I haven't got it but I believe book 5 covering the Scottish railways has other years allocations).


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Post  dforrest on Sun 17 Jul 2016, 1:17 pm

ShortNorth wrote:The original 5-book LMS Engine Sheds series from Wild swan show allocations for 1945 in the first four books (the English railways books - I haven't got it but I believe book 5 covering the Scottish railways has other years allocations).

Thanks.  It would appear from this that I am still looking for Stoke LMS allocations for the main part of the  LMS period in which I am interested (pre 1945-1948).


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Post  dforrest on Sat 13 May 2017, 4:30 pm

Patch #4 is now available at UKTS. In addition to other modifications, It includes a totally new branch and activities fir this. There are also two BR "Cauliflowers" only available in the pack.


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Post  slipperman12 on Sun 14 May 2017, 4:10 pm

Hi David,
Many thanks for this update to a very fine route Smile

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Post  dforrest on Sun 14 May 2017, 4:18 pm

slipperman12 wrote:Hi David,
Many thanks for this update to a very fine route Smile

Cheers,
Ged

Thanks Ged. I will pass your thanks to Bob who did most of the work.


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Post  Markh5682 on Sun 14 May 2017, 8:43 pm

Hi David.

I installed patch #4 last night and the terrain is all over the place.
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This only happening on the new added section as far as I can see, I have all 4 patches installed, I have overwritten when prompted.

I am using Windows 10 + the latest stable version of OR (MSTS has spat its dummy out so I can't try it with that)

Is it just me or have others got the same thing? any help or advise will be welcome.

Thanks.
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Post  dforrest on Sun 14 May 2017, 9:06 pm

Ged, could you please check and see if you are having the same problem.


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Post  slipperman12 on Sun 14 May 2017, 9:19 pm

Hi David & Mark,
Sorry, but I posted my thanks before I'd tried the updated route.  Unfortunately, I have similar problems when running the new DMU activity!
I'm using MSTS with Windows 7.

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Post  dforrest on Sun 14 May 2017, 9:25 pm

slipperman12 wrote:Hi David & Mark,
Sorry, but I posted my thanks before I'd tried the updated route.  Unfortunately, I have similar problems when running the new DMU activity!
I'm using MSTS with Windows 7.

Cheers,
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Only the one activity Ged, or do you gave the same with the goods activities?


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Post  slipperman12 on Sun 14 May 2017, 9:35 pm

Hi David,
Sorry, but you'll have to wait a bit for that!

Also, the ttype.dat file has been changed and now uses raeurotrack*.sms instead of EuropeSteamTrack* and ukSteamTrack* files. These are not present in my installation which causes errors to be reported.

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Post  dforrest on Sun 14 May 2017, 9:41 pm

Ged, I have sent you an email.


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Post  Markh5682 on Sun 14 May 2017, 9:52 pm

Thanks, Ged and David.

I have just tried it on the return DMU act, it is the same with that too, I don't think there is anything in an .act file that can change or affect the terrain height in the route.

On the return DMU trip the first carriage is missing, (in OR) it is caused by having the diesel effects lines missing in the .eng file, I know how to fix that but others may not.



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Post  dforrest on Sun 14 May 2017, 9:56 pm

Markh5682 wrote:Thanks, Ged and David.

I have just tried it on the return DMU act, it is the same with that too, I don't think there is anything in an .act file that can change or affect the terrain height in the route.

On the return DMU trip the first carriage is missing, (in OR) it is caused by having the diesel effects lines missing in the .eng file, I know how to fix that but others may not.


Mark, can you please send me your email address (I suggest by PM or to my email address if you have it). I will send you two file which I hope will resolve the problem.


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Post  Markh5682 on Sun 14 May 2017, 10:05 pm

Thanks David.

You have a PM. OK


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Post  slipperman12 on Sun 14 May 2017, 10:23 pm

Hi David,
I haven't picked up your email yet, but here's what I've found, in addition to the missing track .sms files :
1. The LNWR cabviews require installing - UKTS File ID 36443
2. I haven't run the activities to completion, but only two seem to have the terrain problems.
3. NS_Leek - Stoke DMU. starts "underground" - as shown by Mark
4. NS_Birchenwood Duty Part 2. This might not be an error, because I'm straying (using Explore) where I shouldn't (yet!). Travelling beyond Pratt's Sidings, the track disappears beneath the terrain towards Fenton Manor where nothing seems to be complete towards Berry Hill!

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Post  dforrest on Sun 14 May 2017, 10:30 pm

slipperman12 wrote:Hi David,
I haven't picked up your email yet, but here's what I've found, in addition to the missing track .sms files  :
1. The LNWR cabviews require installing - UKTS File ID 36443
2. I haven't run the activities to completion, but only two seem to have the terrain problems.
3. NS_Leek - Stoke DMU.  starts "underground" - as shown by Mark
4. NS_Birchenwood Duty Part 2. This might not be an error, because I'm straying (using Explore) where I shouldn't (yet!).  Travelling beyond Pratt's Sidings, the track disappears beneath the terrain towards Fenton Manor where nothing seems to be complete towards Berry Hill!

Cheers,
Ged

Thanks Ged for you help. We have been working on the patch almost a year and some of my records seem to have gone astray (excuses!)!

Thanks for the summary.

1. Agreed. Will add it
2. Some tiles were missing from the patch.
3. same as 2
3. Missing TERRTEX .

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Post  Markh5682 on Sun 14 May 2017, 10:34 pm

Hi Ged.

The stoke - leek act has the same problem, I have fixed the missing effects line in the DMU, so I'll run the act all through, though it won't make any difference to the terrain problem.


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Post  dforrest on Sun 14 May 2017, 10:40 pm

Markh5682 wrote:Hi Ged.

The stoke - leek act has the same problem, I have fixed the missing effects line in the DMU, so I'll run the act all through, though it won't make any difference to the terrain problem.

Mark, could you please explain "the missing effects line".


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Post  slipperman12 on Sun 14 May 2017, 10:46 pm

Hi David,
I think Mark is referring to a problem which only occurs with Open Rails!

I'll be turning in shortly, so please don't wait for a response today if your message is after 23:00 (BST)!

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Post  Markh5682 on Sun 14 May 2017, 11:17 pm

dforrest wrote:
Markh5682 wrote:Hi Ged.

The stoke - leek act has the same problem, I have fixed the missing effects line in the DMU, so I'll run the act all through, though it won't make any difference to the terrain problem.

Mark, could you please explain "the missing effects line".

Hi David, it is the diesel effects lines in the eng file usually immediately after the lighting perameters, if the lines are missing it won't show in OR, it's an easy fix, done by copying the effects lines from the one that works, the position of the smoke is normally reversed (the 3rd number in to position line) just add a minus before the 3rd number, or if there is already a minus there, delete it.

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The original was...........

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Exhaust1
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.600 3.700 8.689
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Exhaust2
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The amended line for the drivers trailer............

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Exhaust1
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-8.689
.2 .3 0
0.1
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Exhaust2
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Post  Markh5682 on Mon 15 May 2017, 12:10 am

Hi David.

Replied to both emails. OK


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Post  dforrest on Mon 15 May 2017, 1:16 am

Unfortunately there were missing files in the download of Patch #4. A corrected versions has now been uploaded to UKTS and should be available shortly. Anyone having installed the first version should now install this revised version which will overwrite the original version and correct any problems.


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Post  Markh5682 on Mon 15 May 2017, 9:04 am

Hi David

I have installed the updated patch #4, it has fixed the terrain problem and now looks good. OK

The eng file still has the missing effects lines and it does not appear in OR, (though the # versions have the modified lines) not a big problem as it is an easy fix.

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Post  slipperman12 on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:12 am

Hi David,
Thanks.
Everything looks OK now, and the .sms file errors don't occur Smile
However, I can't see any mention of the cabview being required for the "Cauliflowers".

It appears that further expansion is planned, as the "main" line from Bucknall & Northwood beyond Milton Junction has the track laid, but currently disappears into the terrain, so I'm looking forward to that Smile

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Post  dforrest on Mon 15 May 2017, 10:59 am

Mark, Ged, your comments are noted. It is good to hear that the terrain problem is now resolved. The Cauliflower cabview is now installed with the patch. The DMU engine modifications can be added to a future patch.

Potteries Loop is always a work-in-progress. Enjoy!


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Post  slipperman12 on Mon 15 May 2017, 11:31 am

Hi David,
The Cauliflower cabview is now installed with the patch
Many apologies Embarassed
I was expecting a note in the readme, or something similar, and didn't think of checking there!! It's an even better solution Smile

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Post  dforrest on Mon 15 May 2017, 11:41 am

slipperman12 wrote:Hi David,
The Cauliflower cabview is now installed with the patch
Many apologies Embarassed
I was expecting a note in the readme, or something similar, and didn't think of checking there!!  It's an even better solution Smile

Cheers,
Ged

That's good to hear Ged. The ttype.dat problem was also resolved in the patch. There are two version included in the original release of the route, which are switchable. I had included the non-default one in the first version of the patch.


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Post  dforrest on Mon 22 May 2017, 11:55 am

Bob and I will next be producing an LMS Stock and Activity pack for the Potteries route.

There are both LMS_exMR and LMS_exLNWR coaches available at UKTS. Can someone tell us which of these is the mist suitable for the Potteries area?


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