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Post  j3801 on Thu 17 Jan 2013, 1:09 pm

Hi every one,

This is where I'll be posting the frequent updates on my rolling stock work from now on.

And just to kick it off here is some work on my Pullmans that I have been tinkering with.



Pullman Brake Third Parlour



Pullman Kitchen First



Pullman Third Parlour

Still a bit of detailing to go, each coach is going to be individual in detail (as the real Pullmans were Rolling Eyes ),
So there will be 45 individual coaches in this pack. They will be in Pre WW2 condition without curtains.
Both Matchboard and Steel sided will be modeled.


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Post  mikehendle on Sat 19 Jan 2013, 6:22 pm

Hello Justin
Those Pullman Cars look great and willl be use full on many routes,like MEP+ Danny's South Eastern,New Forrest,and don't forget when you make the Pullmans there iare the 5 Bel electric sets as well.

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Post  paullad1984 on Sun 20 Jan 2013, 11:37 am

Very nice work, cant wait to get a few of these behind an A3 and see how they look at speed!

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Post  dee4141 on Sun 20 Jan 2013, 4:14 pm

Justin, agreed these do look really good. I'm not knowlegable on coaches, so what differences were there after WW2? I would very much like to see these made suitable (if necessary) for the post-war era as the only other Pullmans - as far as I know - are the commercial ones from BATS.


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Post  darwins on Sun 20 Jan 2013, 8:07 pm

I am sure Justin will offer up a post war set too.
I am not sure which coaches will be on offer in his pack of 45, but I am hoping they will include sufficient for the Yorkshire Pullman and the Queen of Scots.
The cars being built now are appropriate for the years 1933 to 1939, after the painting of the eaves umber but before the introduction of curtains at the windows.
Most of the same cars continued to run after the war...
A few cars were either refurbished or seriously rebuilt into new things like bar cars.
Some cars were transferred from the Eastern to the Southern or vice versa... and different cars were likely to be seen on different services at different dates anyway.

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Post  ianmacmillan on Sun 20 Jan 2013, 11:14 pm

Rather than all 45 cars in a single pack, can I suggest Train packs?

There could be a pack for the Golden Arrow, a pack for Queen of Scots, etc

This would make them easier to find in the cosist editor.
Also help to reduce unneeded stock for those of us who have seperate trainsets for each route.

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Post  j3801 on Mon 21 Jan 2013, 12:47 am

Hi Ian,

I thought about the 'train pack' idea, but as some coaches would cross over there could be 4 or more versions of the one coach.
They do have Darwins changeable roof boards fitted.

As Dariwn said, alot of the coaches were rebuilt later (post WW2) and I don't have all the interior/side plans for those ones.
If most people would be happy with repainted/slightly modified versions of these one then I could quickly do the post war versions.

The exact list of coaches is as follows:
(Note: from 220 on are Steel, before that they are Match Board. S/N= Pullman Schedual Number)



The eaxct details of some coaches were lost to the 'sands of time' so some guess work has been done for the interior 'colour' schemes.

Individual 'Model type' breakdown:

39 seat K3 2 (157,158)
22 seat K1 8 (161,162,163,165,166,210,211,212)
36 Seat TRB 3 (186,214,216)
42 seat P3 11 (187,188,217,218,219,226,227,228,229,261,262)
30 seat K3 8 (220,221,222,223,224,225,259,260)
20 Seat K1 4 (234,235,237,238)
26 seat P1 4 (164,236,239,242)
24 seat K1 1 (243)
30 seat PBT 4 (230,231,232,233)

I do have a simple base coach which I start each model off from, so it is just new interiors/side 'paint'/ roof vent locations that change between cars.
If anyone is interested in joining in on the 'mayhem' for other regions/coaches you can PM me and I'll set you up with the TSM files.

I will be tackeling the VSOE versions straight after these, and I will do the Pullman Observation Coaches.

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Post  paullad1984 on Mon 21 Jan 2013, 9:21 am

Your work has on various coaching stock has been a revelation, your standards and level of research breath taking.
I hope sample consists will be included in any release as i have no idea how they should be arranged!

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Post  mikehendle on Mon 21 Jan 2013, 9:41 am

Hi Justin.

Personally I don't mind how you do the Pullman Cars I would be quite happy to use any set of coaches for any era I would be quite happy to use pre war coaches in post war era trains,after all there wasn't that much difference.
The major difference possibly is the steel coaches,I just say thanks for making some new Pullman cars as the only the other ones are either the BATS Southern Railway one or 2 dating back to I think 2002.

I must admit I do like the idea of putting them in sets,like the Goldern Arrow,Bournemouth Belle,The Tees Tyne Pullman,The Hadrian,the Queen Of Scots,and the South Wales Pullman

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Post  rufuskins on Mon 21 Jan 2013, 10:25 am

I would agree with Mike, as I would be grateful for whatever you upload.

So long as we know what goes in which consist and where, we can easily set the consist up using ConBuilder, Convoi or Route Riter.

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Post  stephenholmes on Wed 23 Jan 2013, 5:06 pm

Very nice work Justin
The pullman sets look excellent
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Post  bharrison on Thu 24 Jan 2013, 12:02 pm

Justin,

I have to say I may have to use your VOSE ones when done, but these look great and oof very high standard.



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Post  j3801 on Fri 01 Feb 2013, 12:21 pm

Hi folks,

I know I have been busy setting up the forum and a few background projects related to it, as well as working on a few other projects as well as looking for a new job, but I have finally got my act together and I have just finished all of the major "poly cutting" on all of the pre WW2 Pullmans.

I must admit, this has been the most intense build next to my protracted build of the NSWGR 38 class that I have undertaken to date.

By that I mean, each coach is unique with name/number, interior marquetry patterns, different interior seat/carpet colours and different wood for the walls on certain cars. (Yes they are that detailed.)

Here are the pictures of the types of cars modelled:

Pullman Third Parlour Brake 30 seats (steel)
CAR No 77, CAR No 78, CAR No 79, CAR No 80


Pullman Parlour First 26 seats (matchboard and steel)
Rosemary, Sheila, Agatha, Ursula


Pullman Parlour First 24 seats (steel)
Lucille


Pullman Restaurant Kitchen First 22 seats (matchboard)
Fortuna, Irene, Iolanthe, Argus, Geraldine, Marcelle, Sybil, Kathleen


Pullman Restaurant Kitchen First 20 seats (steel)
Nilar, Belinda, Thelma, Phyllis


Pullman Third Parlour 42 seats (matchboard and steel)
CAR No 65, CAR No 66, CAR No 62, CAR No 63, CAR No 64, CAR No 73, CAR No 74, CAR No 75, CAR No 76, Car No 83, Car No 84


Pullman Third Restaurant Buffet 39 seats (matchboard)
CAR No 54, CAR No 55


Pullman Third Restaurant Buffet 36 seats (matchboard)
CAR No 58, CAR No 59, CAR No 61


Pullman Third Restaurant Kitchen 30 seats (steel)
CAR No 67, CAR No 68, CAR No 69, CAR No 70, CAR No 71, CAR No 72, Car No 81, Car No 82

They still have to undergo shunting tests and wag file modifications.
Plus (this is the biggest bit) the interior marquetry for each individual coach is still to be done, so far I have only done preliminary work on Fortuna (the first coach that I attempted) so they are still a fair way off from being finished.

The good news is that asides from one coach, these models represent the whole range of original build K type Pullmans. However, as far as post WW2 modified types go there are still a few design types missing, in particular the “bar cars”.

Once this “batch” is ready I will start work on “re-bogie-ing” the required types for the VSOE set, I won’t be doing the ex-5BEL cars, as really good models for these already exist.

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Post  dee4141 on Fri 01 Feb 2013, 1:23 pm

Excellent models Justin. Very Happy
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Post  rufuskins on Fri 01 Feb 2013, 3:04 pm

I can only echo Danny's comment.

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Post  mikehendle on Fri 01 Feb 2013, 4:56 pm

Hi Justin
They look really good you have made a set of 1st class Pullman Cars and will be well worth waiting for,just one question will you be doing the Pullman Observation that ran on the Devon Belle



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Post  j3801 on Sat 02 Feb 2013, 12:37 am

Hi Mike,

Yes, I am still going to do both of them (there were 2 built).
I just need to dig out my Hornby model for reference.
I don't know if I will include it in this pack or in the next one.

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Post  j3801 on Sat 02 Feb 2013, 9:17 am

Hi everyone,

(Rivet counters look away now).
Just for a bit of fun:


The Train Sim Safe House Forum tour train is getting ready for departure.

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Post  mikehendle on Sat 02 Feb 2013, 11:18 am

Hi Justin,
It could have happened if Pullman had introduced Pullman Cars to Australia


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Post  bharrison on Sat 02 Feb 2013, 12:47 pm


Justin,

Looking good you were just showing both models at once.

You have a pm


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Post  j3801 on Sat 02 Feb 2013, 12:54 pm

Hi Mike,

There were a few different types of Aussie Pullmans.
One set were 12 wheeled 'platform end' cars similar to the American styles of the time, although as far as I know they were never painted in umber and cream. (I'm sure Brian will correct me if I'm wrong.)

The other set was a specially built for the now defunct Great South Pacific Express. These were styled after the British Pullmans.

But my main joke in that picture is that 3801 is sitting at King's Cross.
3801 is way 'oversize' for the English loading gauge, so wold never be able to run in the UK.

I have just found an interesting article about GSPE: http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national-old/queenslands-luxury-orient-express-train-still-sits-idle-in-ipswich-after-five-years/story-e6freooo-1225933559366


Ben, thanks. Yes I was just showing off.

By the way there is something hidden in plain sight in that picture, let's see if anyone can find what I've done.
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Post  mikehendle on Sat 02 Feb 2013, 2:52 pm

Hi Justin
All I can see is a flying lamp post above the next platform


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Post  j3801 on Sun 03 Feb 2013, 11:20 am

Mike,

Try a little lower, below the headlight.

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Post  Markh5682 on Sun 03 Feb 2013, 11:24 am

I can see it Smile I had to enlarge the page a bit to see what it was though.


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Post  mikehendle on Sun 03 Feb 2013, 11:49 am

Hi Justin,
The Headboard



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Post  j3801 on Sun 03 Feb 2013, 12:07 pm

Mike,

Yeah you got it Very Happy .

It is the first of Mark's logo's (other than the one up top) to go into service.

Mark, I'd be worried if you couldn't spot your own handy work.

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Post  Markh5682 on Sun 03 Feb 2013, 12:11 pm

I could see it was a nameplate, but I had to zoom in to see which one it was.


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Post  j3801 on Thu 07 Feb 2013, 8:57 am

Hi everyone,

Just a quick update, the Pullmans have finished stage one development (i.e. all 3D work and texturing is done, just awaiting evaluations) and so are on their way to Darwin for checking. I hope not a lot of work will be needed.

I will be doing an extra set of textures with curtains for those who wish to use them post WW2 before the lining was simplified. I will be looking into train formations for these coaches to make consist to use, however, as these are the K type 8 wheelers most formations will not be correct as they ran with the 12 wheelers included in the consists. I will be looking into the 12 wheelers and the other Pullman cars for later release. I am not going to guarantee that I will end up building them.

I still have yet to start on the Pullman Observation Coach, but that will be coming.

I don’t remember if I have asked this before, but is there a way of setting up dual brake systems in wag files? As for the VSOE set I was thinking rather than have 2 sets of wag files (one Air braked the other Vacuum) if it could be set up in the one file?

In other news, the NSWGR 38 class is nearly ready for uploading; they just require final checks before uploading.

Finally put together the works order board:



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Re: Justin's Workshop

Post  andrew moody on Thu 07 Feb 2013, 10:34 am

j3801 wrote:"Finally put together the works order board:"
Sorry Justin.
But your works order board is missing the right hand side, so it is not possible to read it all.
Don't know if this is unique to my computer and if so, how do I change my settings please?
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Post  j3801 on Thu 07 Feb 2013, 10:37 am

Andy,

Probably a screen resolution issue.
Try this: http://i17.servimg.com/u/f17/18/05/50/87/wo10.jpg

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Post  paullad1 on Thu 07 Feb 2013, 9:30 pm

If your thinking of building some steamers, could i suggest either gresley p2's or thompson pacifics, something that deserves a new model.

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Post  andrew moody on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 1:34 am

j3801 wrote:Andy,

Probably a screen resolution issue.
Try this: http://i17.servimg.com/u/f17/18/05/50/87/wo10.jpg

Thanks Justin.That works just fine.
If I do have a screen resolution problem, can anyone advise me how to alter it.
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Post  j3801 on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 1:47 am

Hi Andy,

How well do you know your way around your computer?

To change monitor settings you need to access the control panel section of your computer.
Then you need to find the section for display settings.
Then it is trial and error till you come up with the right screen resolution.

Or the simpler answer is I'll just post smaller pictures.

Paul, I have been considering both P classes (P1 and P2) and maybe a J39, as for the Thompsons I'd say go for the BATS ones.

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Post  mikehendle on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 3:47 am

Hi
also try SCP+ dvd there are some Thompson Locomotives and Coaches included in the stock pack,they are also newer than the BATS ones and cheaper
They are made by Dave Robertson


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Post  j3801 on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 3:50 am

Mike,

I had forgotten about those. Defiantely go for the SCP+ ones.

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Post  j3801 on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 11:15 am

Hey Guys, guess what I just rolled out of the workshops:



It is one of the Devon Belle Observation Cars.
This one is car number 14, with matchboard sides and full hight glass ends.
Car 13 will be flush sided with the sliding vent windows in the end.
There is still a bit of work to be done on it.

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Post  rufuskins on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 11:41 am

. . and very nice too!

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Post  j3801 on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 11:54 am

Thanks Alec,

I know the "clean white roof" isn't prototypical, but it looks ok.
I have been speaking to Darwin, with regards to the 1950's versions of the Pullmans, there is going to be a giant surprise with those eventually. I'm not revealing anything beyond this: let’s just say everybody will be catered for by that pack.

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Post  mikehendle on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 12:00 pm

All I can say is WOW


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Post  andrew moody on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 12:31 pm

Hi Justin.
Fantastic! Ican also confirm that I have after a bit of fiddeling about, been able to resolve the screenshot problem,I can now see all of the coaches and notice board.
Re:Pullman observation coaches, I will post again later after I come home from work.
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Post  j3801 on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 12:51 pm

Hi Guys,

Thanks for the compliments. It is still slightly rough though around the roof ends.

I’ve just been fiddling around with them to make the 1937/38 Queen of Scots consist with the observation stuck on the end. I tried using the file UKTS_8720_Headboards_Issue_3.zip for the headboard but I can’t get it to show up in the sim. I’ve tried it as supplied and I tried it as a freight animation but it won’t show up. I’m trying to get it to work with the BATS version of 4495 Golden Fleece but no luck.

The headboards that I made for my 38’s work so I don’t know what is going on.
Anybody got any ideas?

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Post  bharrison on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 1:11 pm

j3801 wrote:Hi Guys,

Thanks for the compliments. It is still slightly rough though around the roof ends.

I’ve just been fiddling around with them to make the 1937/38 Queen of Scots consist with the observation stuck on the end. I tried using the file UKTS_8720_Headboards_Issue_3.zip for the headboard but I can’t get it to show up in the sim. I’ve tried it as supplied and I tried it as a freight animation but it won’t show up. I’m trying to get it to work with the BATS version of 4495 Golden Fleece but no luck.

The headboards that I made for my 38’s work so I don’t know what is going on.
Anybody got any ideas?

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Post  j3801 on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 1:52 pm

Hi Ben,

I was trying the BATS one because I wanted a single chimney A4 from the late 1930's, not many new versions of those getting around. (I know about the early ones on UKTS but I was after a more modern quality one.)

I may have to look into the shapes used to see why it didn't want to work.

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Post  mikehendle on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 4:16 pm

Hi Justin,

Why don't you ask Dave to repaint, rename and number one of his A4 loco's, he has kindly renamed and numbered a couple of loco's for me when I asked him to.

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Post  slipperman12 on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 6:22 pm

Hi Justin, and everybody else!,
Sorry I'm a little late joining the Pullmans discussion, but I don't think the BATS vehicles from the Fires & Wires add-on has been mentioned. There are 21 vehicles in total, and are described as Mk1 Pullmans. I can supply a full list if required!

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Post  mikehendle on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 8:04 pm

Hi
Re BR MK1 Pullman,s there were 52, made between 1960-61 for the Eastern Region,they were Pullman Parlour 1st with Kitchen (21),Pullman Parlour1st with out Kitchen ( 8 ),Pullman Kitchen 2 nd (15),Pullman Parlour 2nd(7) Pullman Bar Car(1),they were built by Metropolitan Cammell,when 1st built they were painted in standard Pullman Livery.
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Re: Justin's Workshop

Post  bharrison on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 9:15 pm


Justin,

I know of some pullmans with names on the railway I work on. I could find the names out if you like.

It was the lner blue bittern I ment by twomanydj's not by the Br version.


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Re: Justin's Workshop

Post  andrew moody on Fri 08 Feb 2013, 10:09 pm

andrew moody wrote:Hi Justin.
Re:Pullman observation coaches, I will post again later after I come home from work.
Many thanks.
Andy
Hi Folks.
The main reason I am very interested in the ex Devon Belle pullmans is, apart from the fact that Car No 14 (Ex 281) is preserved and in use on the Swanage Railway, the other one Car 280 featured in my 21st Birthday celebrations one or three moons ago Rolling Eyes way back in 1971.
My family took me to the Dart valley Railway as it was then, and had hired the coach.
I was the only one not to get to ride in it that day, as instead I was put on the footplate of Ex BR Pannier tank 1638, When we got to Totnes Riverside, there, in the run round loop was Newly restored Prarie 4588, so we double headed back to Buckfastleigh with the two crews having water fights with the pep pipes of each loco.
I subsquently got to ride in coach 280 on the Paignton Kingswear line years later.
Really looking forward to the Pullmam car pack.
Cheers
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Re: Justin's Workshop

Post  j3801 on Sat 09 Feb 2013, 12:16 pm

Hi Guy's,

The Mk1 Pullman's are going to be built, but at a later date, they are slightly off the top of the to do list, and there are a few refurbishment projects that need attention because I have been putting them off as well as delayed new builds. At the moment I have about 4 MSTS projects on the go so I'm not in any danger of running out of things to do.

Justin


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Re: Justin's Workshop

Post  bharrison on Sat 09 Feb 2013, 12:33 pm


Justin,

What about making the Observation cars and the brake pullmans dual couplings auotmatic and chain and the normal inner ones automatic only.


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