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Post  abclare on Thu 18 Jul 2013, 3:49 pm

Hi All.

Is it easy to change a Loco in an Activity???


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Post  slipperman12 on Thu 18 Jul 2013, 6:31 pm

Hi Art,
The straight answer to that one is "Yes"! Very Happy 

I believe you can use Route Riter or ConBuilder (or maybe even Convoi) to help you, or you can manually amend the appropriate consist file.
Obviously it's not so simple if the consist is also used in other activities, but if you'd give us more details, we'd be able to offer more definite instructions.

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Post  mikehendle on Thu 18 Jul 2013, 7:55 pm

Hi Art,
it is simple to change a loco,but be careful of the length of the replacement,make sure it is either the same size or smaller than the one you want to replace,if it is the Garrett that you didn't like the cabview I would replace it with a 8F,

There is another problem you might have is the again if it is the Garrett the replacement loco might not be powerful enough to haul the train.
I use convoi(which is free)to change may locomotives,I haven't tried route riter,and at $30.00 for conbuilder well that these days is beyond my pocket.

Best thing is tell us which loco you want to replace,and the loco you want to use as the replacement then we can tell whether it is suitable or not.

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Post  abclare on Fri 19 Jul 2013, 10:35 am

Thanks Ged & Mike.

I dont have RR or any other and i dont think i will try it i was only intersted how it was done.Embarassed                  Can you help with another thing i am trying to find Loco BR Ivatt 4MT 43019 in Trainset but it dont seem to be there also a search dont find it.It is used in TT Route????


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Post  mikehendle on Fri 19 Jul 2013, 10:57 am

Hi Art,

You need this file File ID 30185 Cricklewood Ivatt 4MT

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Post  abclare on Fri 19 Jul 2013, 11:13 am

Hi Mike.

Thanks mate but i dont want to download it i aready have it in TT Route but cant find it in Trainset sorry.Embarassed Embarassed


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Post  mikehendle on Fri 19 Jul 2013, 11:21 am

Hi Art,

only trying to help you,try looking for this in your trainset folder Cricklewood Ivatt 4MT,

43019 should be inside that folder.

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Post  abclare on Fri 19 Jul 2013, 11:35 am

Thanks Mike i will have another go.


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Post  ianmacmillan on Fri 19 Jul 2013, 1:25 pm

The easiest way to change a loco (or anything else) is to remove it from the Trainset folder.
Then run Route Riter or Activity Analysis.

The missing loco will then be highlighted and you will be able to replace it.

Make sure you have the right consist and remember to put the loco back afterwords.

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Post  abclare on Fri 19 Jul 2013, 2:27 pm

Thanks Ian not going to mess about with it while all running well:Laughing


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Post  abclare on Fri 19 Jul 2013, 2:32 pm

mikehendle wrote:Hi Art,

You need this file File ID 30185 Cricklewood Ivatt 4MT

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Hi Mike.  Found it now i was not using the word Criicklwood but it has no Eng file in????Crying or Very sad


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Post  dforrest on Fri 19 Jul 2013, 2:50 pm

abclare wrote:
mikehendle wrote:Hi Art,

You need this file File ID 30185 Cricklewood Ivatt 4MT

Mike

Hi Mike.  Found it now i was not using the word Criicklwood but it has no Eng file in????Crying or Very sad

Art, do you have it "stored" in Train Store?

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Post  abclare on Fri 19 Jul 2013, 2:54 pm

dforrest wrote:
abclare wrote:
mikehendle wrote:Hi Art,

You need this file File ID 30185 Cricklewood Ivatt 4MT

Mike

Hi Mike.  Found it now i was not using the word Criicklwood but it has no Eng file in????Crying or Very sad

Art, do you have it "stored" in Train Store?

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Post  abclare on Fri 19 Jul 2013, 2:59 pm

Hi David.Mike.Ged.

Found Eng File at last but it has no crew line??? All i am trying to do is delete the Crew as they are showing in my forward View???  Again!!!!!!Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad


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Post  slipperman12 on Fri 19 Jul 2013, 4:18 pm

Hi Art,
It IS there!  Here's part of the eng file :
Wagon ( 43019
Type ( Engine )
WagonShape ( 43019.s )

Size  ( 2.540438m 3.898595m 9.866181m )
CentreOfGravity ( 0.0m 0.0m 0.0m )
Centre ( 0.0308095m 0.99169m 0.0937483m )
Mass ( 59.1t )
FreightAnim ( 4MT_Crew.s -0.1 0.1 )
InertiaTensor ( Box(2.540438m 3.898595m 9.866181m) )
Coupling (
Type ( Bar )
Spring (
Stiffness ( 1e7N/m 1e7N/m )
Damping ( 0.2e7N/m/s 0.2e7N/m/s )
Break ( 9e8N 9e8N )
r0 ( 10cm 1e9 )
)
CouplingHasRigidConnection ( 1 )
Velocity (0.1m/s)
)
Just remove the whole line I've highlighted in red!

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Post  abclare on Sat 20 Jul 2013, 10:31 am

[b]Hi Ged.

Give up still cant find what you are showing me what is the name of that folder please.???


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Post  bharrison on Sat 20 Jul 2013, 11:45 am


Art,

just downloaded these to help you out if you look in your trains/trainset folder and look for a folder called cricklewood ivatt 4MT.

In there look for 43019 and open that and follow what ged said to do.

Hope that helps


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Post  mikehendle on Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:00 pm

Hi Art,
What view are you using?when I'm driving from the cab either through the front cab window or head out the cab side,I don't see the crew getting in the way.

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Post  slipperman12 on Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:04 pm

Hi Mike,
Art likes to use the <SHIFT>+1 view, which, in effect, removes the cab back plate (sorry if that's the wrong term!).

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Post  abclare on Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:26 pm

Hi Ben.

Done that but they are all ACE & SD Files unreadable. Like your Acts mate thanks.


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Post  abclare on Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:28 pm

slipperman12 wrote:Hi Mike,
Art likes to use the <SHIFT>+1 view, which, in effect, removes the cab back plate (sorry if that's the wrong term!).

Cheers,
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Correct Ged.


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Post  slipperman12 on Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:38 pm

Hi Art,
Done that but they are all ACE & SD Files unreadable
If you can't see any eng or wag files, are you using Train Store ? 
Before you do ANY editing of stock files or folders, you MUST unstore everything!

If you're not using Train Store, the only thing I can think of is that you haven't set Windows to show the file extensions of all files. If this is the case, please let us know which version of Windows you're using, then one of us will be able to 'talk' you through it (it's not difficult!).

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Post  abclare on Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:31 pm

Hi.

That was the problem unstored TS and they are all there now. I have deleted the Crew line as told but i still have the Drivers arm in view.?????


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Post  abclare on Sat 20 Jul 2013, 4:05 pm

Hi.

Sorry i did not delete the complete line.Embarassed  But it now crashes on foward look out view (Driver) It has never happend before?????


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Post  mikehendle on Sat 20 Jul 2013, 4:13 pm

Hi Art,
Now you are going to have to reinstall the Cricklewood Ivatt 4MT again,to get back to where you were before fiddling around with some thing you don't know about,this always happens when you start fiddling around with things you don't know.

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Post  abclare on Sat 20 Jul 2013, 4:21 pm

Mike

I backed up the crew line so i should be able put it back, i will have to drive  from another position???


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Post  mikehendle on Sat 20 Jul 2013, 4:39 pm

Hi Art,

Good thinking in backing up the original eng file,hopefully you should be OK to run it,with out any problems,I usually use use the head out of the cab side window,when running steam loco's
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On the narrow gauge SAR|SAS Garretts the driver seat swivelled out so you could drive it from outside the loco,mind you it didn't matter out in the bush with no trees,just scrub and single line track.Might have the odd lion or elephant to worry about though

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Post  abclare on Sat 20 Jul 2013, 5:37 pm

Thank you Mike that is very interesting. I have replaced the whole Crickelwood Ivatt folder and it still crahes on head out so i will just run it as it is now, to much of all of your time through ME has been wasted!!! Embarassed Embarassed


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Post  slipperman12 on Sat 20 Jul 2013, 7:35 pm

Hi Art,
There must be something still wrong in that folder.
The best thing you can do now is to delete the whole Cricklewood Ivatt 4MT folder. then re-copy it from the original download.
Don't change anything, but test it to make sure it works!
Make a copy of 43019.eng and save it somewhere away from your TRAINSET folder. Don't just save the line you're going to remove.
Remove the FreightAnimation line, then test the loco again; if it's OK, you're done!
If it doesn't work, try to determine WHY it's gone wrong, then you can copy the backed up file (let it over-write) and start again.

Don't worry about wasting anybody's time! We're all here to help each other get the best out of MSTS Smile 

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Post  abclare on Sun 21 Jul 2013, 10:57 am

Hi Ged,

Thak you that is explained so well even i can follow what you are telling me to do.LaughingLaughing     I will give it a go later when i can consentrate on what you have said


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Post  abclare on Sun 21 Jul 2013, 4:00 pm

Hi Ged.

This is a strange one. Done exactly as you have said and the Crew are still there and heads out crashes, this time i looked at the Loco from an outside view and the Crew are still there and there is 3 of them?? I think that it is best for me to just dont run it or delete it and reinstall it from the TS Downoad Section where i got it from???  But thank you and all the others who tried to help me i have learnt a lot from you all thank you. Crying or Very sad


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Post  slipperman12 on Sun 21 Jul 2013, 4:29 pm

Hi Art,
You are quite right, there are three crew in this loco! However, only one of them is in the Freight Animation shape; removing this leaves the other two, but they are not in the way of your <SHIFT>+1 view - I've just tested it! I'll put up some screenshots, when I've sorted out how to do it!!

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Post  slipperman12 on Sun 21 Jul 2013, 6:05 pm

Hi Art,
I think I've sussed it - sorry it took so long!!

The first two images are of the un-edited loco :
 

... and these two are after I'd removed the FreightAnim line :
 

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Post  abclare on Sun 21 Jul 2013, 7:45 pm

Hi Ged;

Thanks mate you are a great help, Picture 1 is what i get after deleting the crews No3 is what i drive on most of the time. When i removed the Crews i deleted the whole line as per your instuctions but it leaves the Arm. What i get before deleting the Crews ia a Driver and Fireman on the front Buffers.Crying or Very sad


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Post  slipperman12 on Sun 21 Jul 2013, 7:59 pm

Hi Art,
Then all I can say is that we're not looking at the same loco!!

When you removed the FreightAnim line, are you sure you did it in 43019.eng OR did you change the #43019.eng file ??

Incidentally, as you can see, I don't have the driver and fireman on the front buffers!

Cheers,
Ged

EDIT : I have subsequently found a couple of "funnies" with this download, which I've reported to Martin (Mendes).  They don't directly affect your problem.
1. There are 4 crew members on the footplate of which only two appear to be placed there by the Freight Animation.
2. Loco number 43120 has the wrong textures on its cabsides.

EDIT 2 : Please see my 11:06pm post of 22 July for further information on the above two items.


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Post  abclare on Mon 22 Jul 2013, 9:47 am

Hi Ged.

Will check it but i think i have been changing #43019. I will do it again this afernoon. Thank you:oops:


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Post  abclare on Mon 22 Jul 2013, 3:15 pm

HI Ged & Mike.

Done that put #43019 back with Crews 43019 deleted Crews now they have gone completly but i can not use head-out foward potiton as it crashes but head-out reverse dont crash but as long as i remember not to use it:roll: it is ok otherwise i will loose all i have done when running the Act??????


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Post  slipperman12 on Mon 22 Jul 2013, 3:34 pm

Hi Art,
You say that, in an activity, when you use the head-out forward position, the sim crashes.
Can you try the same consist in Explore on the default S & C route - does it still crash on head-out forward view?

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Post  abclare on Mon 22 Jul 2013, 3:35 pm

slipperman12 wrote:Hi Art,
I think I've sussed it - sorry it took so long!!

The first two images are of the un-edited loco :
 

... and these two are after I'd removed the FreightAnim line :
 

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I now get view No3 Laughing


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Post  slipperman12 on Mon 22 Jul 2013, 6:24 pm

Hi Art,
No. 3 is the <SHIFT>+1 view after removal of the Freight Animation - this is what you want to see, isn't it?

Does yours still crash when you try to use the Head-out forward view?

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Post  abclare on Mon 22 Jul 2013, 7:27 pm

slipperman12 wrote:Hi Art,
You say that, in an activity, when you use the head-out forward position, the sim crashes.  
Can you try the same consist in Explore on the default S & C route - does it still crash on head-out forward view?

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Ged,

Sorry dont undersatand S&C route?? Consist???


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Post  abclare on Mon 22 Jul 2013, 7:29 pm

slipperman12 wrote:Hi Art,
No. 3 is the <SHIFT>+1 view after removal of the Freight Animation - this is what you want to see, isn't it? Does yours still crash when you try to use the Head-out forward view?

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Post  slipperman12 on Mon 22 Jul 2013, 7:34 pm

Hi Art,
Sorry dont undersatand S&C route?? Consist???
Can you run the same loco on the default Settle & Carlisle route? Does MSTS still crash when you use the head-out forward view (from view 1 press down arrow)?

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Post  abclare on Mon 22 Jul 2013, 8:08 pm

Hi Ged.

I understand now i will give it a go tomorrow never used Explore Mode before will let you know thanks.??


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Post  slipperman12 on Mon 22 Jul 2013, 11:06 pm

Hi Art,
In my 7:59pm post of yesterday, I included this :
I have subsequently found a couple of "funnies" with this download, which I've reported to Martin (Mendes). They don't directly affect your problem.
1. There are 4 crew members on the footplate of which only two appear to be placed there by the Freight Animation.
2. Loco number 43120 has the wrong textures on its cabsides.

I have had a reply from Martin, and would like to retract item 1 - the problem was due to an error on my part (I used the wrong tender!) and have offered my apologies to Martin.
Martin acknowledges item 2 and will issue a correction.

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Post  abclare on Tue 23 Jul 2013, 9:47 am

Hi Ged.

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Post  abclare on Tue 23 Jul 2013, 9:49 am

slipperman12 wrote:Hi Art,
In my 7:59pm post of yesterday, I included this :
I have subsequently found a couple of "funnies" with this download, which I've reported to Martin (Mendes). They don't directly affect your problem.
2. Loco number 43120 has the wrong textures on its cabsides.

I have had a reply from Martin, and would like to retract item 1 - the problem was due to an error on my part (I used the wrong tender!) and have offered my apologies to Martin.
Martin acknowledges item 2 and will issue a correction.

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Post  abclare on Tue 23 Jul 2013, 10:17 am

Hi Ged.

Done what you asked me to do run 43019 in Exlplore Mode in S&C Route and it is the same no Crew but crashes on 1 + Down Arrow (Head out Fwd)??? Sorry.Crying or Very sad


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Post  slipperman12 on Tue 23 Jul 2013, 10:52 am

Hi Art,
crashes on 1 + Down Arrow
Well, I'm afraid I'm out of ideas!
Could it be that, in removing the Freight Animation from the loco, you inadvertently changed something else?
To remove that possibility, I suggest you delete the Cricklewood Ivatt 4MT folder completely and re-install it from the download; DO NOT change anything, but run the loco in the sim and try the Head-Out Forward view.  If it works OK now (which I expect it to!), you know it's something you did before.  On the other hand, if it still crashes, you've got me beaten!!

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Post  abclare on Tue 23 Jul 2013, 12:16 pm

Hi Ged.

Will do and i think that i will  just run the Act from Foward position thanks for trying mate.


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